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V8 Swap info?

Anyone have any interest /thoughts of a V8 powertrain in a XJ/MJ.


I've heard of a few companies (Adv.Adapt.) offering part (mounts), but the trail of info ends there. I seen pics, and such, but no real concise info/ roadblocks, or even build ups etc.. i guess it is a alternate to a stroker build up, but has the later option of way more potential.

what do you guys/gals think?smile

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i have been thinking of the same thing.  winter project involving a 318 or 360biggrin

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You talking SBC or ?

The problem becomes with the unibody and properly making motor mounts that won't rip off. Yes plenty of people have shoved a V8 into the XJ/MJ engine bay, however I have YET to see one that I'd own due to the lack of a good install and the "shady" motor mounts people come up with.

Another issue is the tranny/tc issue in the small tunnel tube. You either have to clock it (read less ground clearance) or cut the tunnel depending on with what combo you go with. Not something I'd be willing to do, without bracing the crap out of it since it's a uni-body.

The majority of the reading/talking to people who have done it all have 1 thing they same in common. They all have a major problem with cooling. The way the front is setup, you almost always will have to use the factory radiator, and they are not good enough with a V8. Thier just isn't enough room to go aftermarket and make everything fit (unless your willing to cut once again).



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yep I'm talking SBC. BBC out of the question.
maybe newer style 5.7 Hemi MPI to keep it a MOPAR but it would have to be F.I. and same weight or lighter than a 4.0L (which is a easy possibility). Or get nostalgic with a olds/buick/rover all-aluminum 3.5L v8.
The thoughts started after I pulled the 2.5 out of my MJ and Prepping it for a 4.0L, i've seen pics, seen sites somewhat explaining it (NOVAK Conversions), made some calls to NOVAK , and thier response was "we're working on a mount kit"...well that was almost a year ago, called again "still working on it"

Can it be done...YES, but as L_N_F said that there is a "lack of a good install" solution.
Would XJ builders be interested in a complete/semi-complete "kit" to install a V8 in a xj/mj, if the major issues like Cooling /Electrical/ Mounts/ components/ Cost all worked out? Would you be interested?

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-- Edited by hytechMJ at 18:00, 2007-09-27

-- Edited by hytechMJ at 18:05, 2007-09-27

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Another thing you need to consider is that the V8's may not be as long, but are definatly going to be "taller". So with the oil pan and the way they are, you will probally get into the suspension in the front unless your lifted probally 4+".

Also with an air cleaner on the top, you may have to do a custom hood as well for clearance issues.

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ok, i'll say it.  sounds to me like it's more work and hassle than it's really worth.  i mean, really, what's wrong with the stout and strong 4.0L HO I6???  if you are wanting more power from the 4.0L, MODIFY IT! stroker, supercharger, etc.  it can be done.  :)

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Agree, in the width dept. of a V8,  a longarm(radius style) would have to be used, 5"+ lift (thats a given if your thinking of 33s or bigger), drive train upgrades (another given)
but what I am trying to get across is if a builder was to spend say $1500-2000 over what it would cost to put a stroker motor/HD rad/ etc in.
could you see yourself paying the extra amount to do so?
the 4.0l is nice, strokers are better, but still thats really the limit and roughly $3500 for a long block. 
where as SBCs can be built really cheap for less than $3.5K , full swaps from wreaks are sometimes 1500-2000 with low miles.
golan 4.6L---------$3500+------------260HP-----drop in
SBC (say 5.7L)----$4000+------------325+HP----A little work (if a lot of the issues were sorted out)

whats your choice?





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I was just thinking about this on the drive home today. Jeep needs some more power. However I have always owned something low and fast before this.

With that said, I don't see the unibody being a problem. Hell, every camaro ever made since 1967 is a unibody, and almost every car is anymore except fullsize. I also don't see how a 350 ( with a low intake manifold) or a LS1 is any taller than the 4.0. It is a big engine.

If I can cram a sbc into an s-10 and still have plenty of room to work on it, surely could do it with a jeep. With a nice aluminum radiator, and some electric pusher fans cooling would be a non-issue. Biggest problem I see is tranny/transfer case packaging.


Personally I would love an LS1 conversion. gobs of power, probably cam it to boost low end torque. Most likely you would see better mileage than the 4.0.

my old 350 HP, 6 speed money bucket:



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thats what I was thinking...
the 4.0 is good , I've been in stroked 4.6L but stll it is not a V8 .
agree a V8  is not a "budget-build" but for  builder considering a long arm sus', ugraded etc. really is another $1500 going to kill you?
no I'm not rich, but anything affiliated with 4x4 or HP is not going to be cheap 

building HP costs $
controlling HP costs $
making educated decisions is priceless  

-- Edited by hytechMJ at 01:06, 2007-09-29

-- Edited by hytechMJ at 16:53, 2007-09-29

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see some of these links, you'll find heaps of good info.

www.go.jeep-xj.info
http://www.jeep4.0performance.4mg.com/
http://www.ajeepthing.com/stroker-motor.html
http://www.lunghd.com/
http://www.madxj.com
http://jeep.off-road.com/jeep/article/articleDetail.jsp?id=257969

edit: the jeep4.0performance website is really great for budget mods on the amc 232-258-242 engines.  For the hooked-on-metric folks, 242c.i. translates to 4.0


-- Edited by ChevelleSSLS6 at 22:55, 2007-09-29

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The problem with a V8 swap is everything associated to it.

With that amount of power, your going to be breaking other things as well. Running a V8 with a different tranny/tc is fine, but now your looking at doing axle upgrades as well.

If you want more power, regear your axles....

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