I had a pretty long discussion with a guy today about filling tires with water for the trail. He swears by it and says it makes his rig handle a ton better.
Point is that he filles them 1/4 full of water (about upto the valve stem) and than puts air in the rest of the way to get the desired PSI he wants. He says with his 37's he gains about 200lbs of unsprung weight (50 lbs a tire). He says that the added weight helps keep the rig more stable on the trails, and it helps keep the tires on the ground (makes sense!).
He's running alumn. wheels, and it made me think is it a good idea for steel wheels? What are your guys thoughts on putting water in your tires for trail only use?
I have never heard of this before. Is this something that you would do to a "Trail Only" rig? I wouldn't think that it would be good to drive to the trails at high speeds with this much water in the tires but at the same time it could be no problem at all. Lets just say that I am not going to be the first to try it. It does sound like it makes sense though on keeping the wheight up in the tires. What would be some of the bad side effects for a trail only rig?
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I've heard about it before but untill today have never talked with someone who personally has done it.
I would think that due to the weight of the water it should stay at the bottom of the tire even while moving. It may slosh around a little bit, but for a trail-only rig your usually not going faster than 10MPH anways.
The ONLY downfall I can see with doing it is I run steel rims and even though they are painted I'm afraid of them rusting faster with water in the tires.
I've done a bit of research on it and it seems like it's a VERY common thing to be done among the rock crawler competitors. Everyone who has done it says that it has helped out a ton.
I found a 12+ page long thread on Pirate about it. Some say they are using RV antifreeze becuase it's not corrosive to the metal and won't freeze.
See I've never heard of useing water but have heard of Rock Crawlers using Sand in there tires for weight. I cann't see the water hurting, but I would put some anti-freeze in to make it less likely to freeze or rust..
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demo derby cars try using water too for the added weight and traction - though during tech inspections they get caught most of the time. We had that stuff in our big tractor tires and eventually the rims will rot still. Course this was many years of it sitting in there. How we got it out since the tire was messed up, took a pick axe and punctured a hole in the rubber....
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Morning. Reading and learning. When I first seen the post, I throught WOW! Never have heard of such a thing, tricks of the sport or competition, that little edge. Than I throught, my lawn tractor has steel wheels and loaded tires and chains for snow blowing at home. Have had for 10yrs plus. When my son was 5 we put it in a lawn tractor pull at the flee market by us and took first place, second year 3 place. The weight in the tires really helped. Of course it has the special value stems. And the farmers around here must all have weighted tires on there tractors. I think it would work and give the person who's into competition that little edge. ---- Now for Gars throughts-- Maybe this should be in off topic. ---Or Gar where do you come from!! --- If I was going to do it or try it, I think I would put bubble soap in the water. That way I could tell if I had a leak, rim, nail, etc by the BUBBLES which would save time looking. I would use the water at home, because its what we call in Michigan hard water, has alot of IRON in it. Which ares does. In fact I seen a blonde come into my house and take a shower and turn into a red head, married her. You can wash a white tshirt and turn it pink. We have hard water. By using my water at home I would get more weight, the iron in water, and stiffer ride and would't cost anything,its free. But at my age. I would use Soft water. I feel that I would get a softer ride and more flex. And I need both!! Thank You for putting up with me, have a great day. Coffees on here.
Farmers used to do that all the time. I believe it was calcium chloride they used. They all used steel wheels too.
x2... also wonder how much fun it is to remove the ballast from the tires, whatever stuff you decide to use (cal chloride, h20, sand, bbs, cadavers...)
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I would say to remove a liquid, put the valve stem at the bottom, pull the core, and stand back. For solids (bbs, powders), stem at the top and let the air out. Then remove the tire and remove any remaining weight.
Gar, i work on a farm and my boss told me that no one really uses cal. chloride or any other liquid in tires anymore. Its all cast iron weights now. I think the reason for that is the front-wheel assist. Or 4wd tractors.
We also have a tractor i like to call "tracks" - Deere 9520T :D
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