titus wrote:

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ok guys i got the xj  back from the alignment shop today and they showed me the stock specs to where i was at,needed +or _4 i was at 41 +drove it back to work felt better ,not much play in the box at all ,the normal anyway,im almost fed up with the handiling and the drift of it all ,say screw it and ditch the thornbirds for play time only and switch to a all terain?or more mild or should i try the shims ,cause in the back of my mind im slowly seeing this thing on fire in the back of my mind ,just a thought though ,any comments are welcome

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While I'm no expert, maybe I can help.  Is the Jeep lifted, if so, how much. 

Mine is at 3.5" in front, and I had it aligned with a set of Yokohama Geolanders on it, and it drove great.  After I mounted a set of Trxus tires, and soft 8 rims it began to wander on me.  They rechecked the alignment, and adjusted the toe IN I believe.  It helped, but not awhole lot.  I ended up shimming behind the lower control arms with a 1/4" shim.  That increased the castor, which controls stability.  THAT helped alot. 

I also have decided that since it wandered after the new tires were installed, I was anticipating it wanting to wander and I had a "death grip" on the wheel.  I noticed if I wasn't thinking about it, it drove much better.  I remember that from my motorcycle days.  A 'death grip" on a set of handlebars will cause MANY handling problems. 

If your Jeep is lifted, and everything seems to be tight, try rotating the front tires to the rear. If that dosen't help, I would try shimming the LCA's, or getting a set of adjustable LCA's.  Sounds to me your castor angle is too steep, and that will make it skiddish.

main rds no problems ,i have no bump steer on less desired rds they call concrete in florida im at 3.5 inches or 4 have new trac b ar all torked down to spec the whole front end is tight ,theres the usaul amount of play in the gear box ,and i did remove the rear sway bar,its still wanders  side to side like a ole farm truck ,the stabilizer is in good condition to .thinking of reinforcment welding on all of the front end and an adjustable track bar,plus a new stabilizer ,possible a dropped pitman also ,what else?