I've been a member here for quite some time but i have never met any of you guys or been on a single trip. I mean to change that this year. I am looking at gettin a 90 XJ as soono as i can come up with the money. Im starting with a stock Jeep so i can pretty much build it any way i want. I'm looking for advice from guys who have been to these parks and know what would be useful on the trails.
Things i would like to accomplish: -I have a set of 33s that i would like to get on it -I know i need to lift it, but need advice on how high to go -I would like to get better traction by way of lockers -I know ill need protection but other than that im clueless; i know ill need new bumpers and maybe rocker gaurds? rock sliders? -I know ill need a winch;im thinking about building my bumpers with a 2in receiver in front and back so i can put the winch where i need it?
I also need advice of what to bring on these outings. Ive done a lot of camping, but never anything like this.
Sorry about all the questions, and i hope to be hanging out with y'all at some point!
P.S. This is more than likely going to be a trail only rig, but im not 100% sure yet. Depends on if i get this truck im looking at(tow rig).
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~97 GMC Sonoma - 2.2L 5spd DD ~77 Ford F100 - 351M/400 C6 Project, soon to be DD ~89 Ford Bronco - 302 AOD 33x12.5 Trail rig - Stocker for now
hey Chris seems you have most of your answers already.
as far as the lift. I personaly am going to be running Rubicon Express 5.5 long arm , seems to be the most complete kit. Less shocks. Your 33's would work well with it and still allow to run something bigger later. Keep in mind you will have to install a slip yoke elem. kit also. Rubi Exp also has them.
As far as what to pack? From experiance soft sided bag of tools , U-joints, extra air filter, jumpers, zip ties , elec tape, duct tape, rags, fueses, copy of elec scemitic, extra valve stems, couple lug nuts, couple spark plugs, tire plug kit , large garbage bag, bottle of water, tire iron, full size spare, hi lift , shovel, maybe fluids, d-rings , tow straps, if using winch bring a tree saver strap. ect. I'm sure not every trip needs all of this but you would be amazed at what you may need to help yourself and others. If the trip is an over nighter load up your camping gear.
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99 sport. rust bucket, DD, 3 car seats 04 wj (w/3 car seats too) DD duty for the lady
I am replying, not because I know it all, but just to get a response on here. I think I have a decent idea of what you will definitely NEED to have. The rest can come later. You know our work is NEVER done.
-Tires are important, and the fact that you have some 33" ones already will only help! -How high to lift is up to you. You may have to trim if you want to fit your 33's and don't want to go too high. I personally think that staying right around 4"-5" is a good height. There is room for tires, but you won't feel super tipsy. Again, personal opinion. -Who doesn't want lockers? I know I do. They aren't 100% necessary for the wheeling that we usually do, but those on here who have them SWEAR by them. You have several options to choose from there and deciding whether your rig will be trail only could be helpful in making that decision. -Bumpers and rock rails are a wise investment! Really can't over emphasize that. -You don't NEED a winch. If you want to buy one, go for it, 'cause I almost always need to use someone else's . But, as long as you have recovery front and rear, and you don't wheel alone, someone can get you out. If you decide on buying one, I am a big fan of the idea of being able to put it on either end.
Before we go on one of our events, Lead_Not_Follow usually makes a post about what to bring as far as money, recovery, flags, etc. The rest is up to you. It is much like camping. You will need food, clothes, etc.
Well, I know that Adam is typing a response for this too, so you will have PLENTY of info. to get you started. Hope you can get your rig soon!!! It will be fun to meet you!
I moved this to tech as I feel it's more a tech question than anything else...
As to answer your questions.
1) Fitting the 33's really depends on how much trimming you want to do. If you do not want to trim at all, your going to need 5-6" of lift. If your willing to trim it depends on how much. I'd personally put 33's on 3-4" of lift and trim a bit to fit them. A key thing that a lot of people don't take into consideration is properly bumpstopping. If you bumpstop correctly and trim a bit, you can fit the 33's on 3" of lift without any issues and it'll still flex very well. Uptravel is not everything when it comes to offroading, it's more about down travel. So if you bumpstop correctly, run the correct length shocks and address other things like brakeline length, correct tracbar/steering etc. you'll have a very capable rig offroad.
2) You can go broke doing lockers, or you can not go broke doing lockers. It really depends on what you want to spend, and how you want to go about doing it. Lockers also depend on how your going to drive the rig. If your going to daily drive it than you may want to look into a selectable locker over a manual one. Selectables (arb, ox, etc) are very expensive, where a lunchbox locker is not as expensive.
I'd look into the Aussie lockers as they are very reasonably priced (around $250 a locker on MotionOffroad.com) and perform very well. Nice thing about the Aussie is you do not have to replace the carrier to install them (thus not having to remove the gears) and install can be done in about 2-3 hours with normal tools. They perform very well offroad as well as on. They are very popular and have a very good reputation.
3) Armoring up your rig is very important. I'd definatly do rock rails as well as a transfer case skid if yours did not come with one from the factory. Rock rails anymore are very reasonably priced, and save your rig from dented rockers (ask Wade about that). I can't tell you how many times I've came down hard on my rails and it's nice to just have the peice of mind that they will stand up and not trash my rig. A TC skid you can buy from less than $100 and it's also a nice thing to have so you know you won't trash your TC. Their are many different kinds, some cheap and than some more expensive. Some cover the entire belly and than some just cover the TC. Next thing after the rock rails and TC skid would be a gas tank skid. Many rigs from the factory come with one, but some don't. Not as big of an issue where we wheel, but also nice peice of mind.
4) I wouldn't get a winch personally. Spend the $ on the stuff above. Their are enough of us with winches that you won't need one. Plus the majority of the time it's easier to just hook a strap on ya and pull ya.
5) One thing that you did not bring up that I think is very important is recovery. A set of tow hooks on the front (weather with an aftermarket bumper or a set of tow hooks) and than a hitch on the rear is key. I'd spend the $$ on these 2 things over anything else first. Their is nothing worse than being stuck and not being able to hook onto ya to pull ya out without damaging something. C4x4 makes a very nice set of tow hooks/brackets (the only one's I'd spend my $$ on) for under $100. A hitch can be bought new for $150 or used for less than $100. Once again I feel that this stuff should come 1st.
6) Normal camping stuff is fine. The majoriy of us just camp (some of us in tents, some of us in campers), but we all get 1 place together and just camp and have a fire etc. Food for the trail, and than to eat at night. Besides normal camping stuff some stuff for the trails (tow strap, a few tools, maybe some extra parts if you have them, etc.) Most of us have spare parts and lots of tools that we'll get you taken care of if needed. That being said, I should probally put a good GLXJ list together that I'd recomend on things to bring, maybe I'll do that sometime this week...
I should also add in the comment about lifting that I'm a HUGE fan of low COG (center of gravity). The lower you can keep it with larger tires the better off you'll be. I've seen stock rigs go places that someone with 6" of lift and 33's can't simply because they are so tipsy.
I run 5" of lift on my XJ and fit 35's and have just trimmed very minor. I would not go any higher than 5" of lift to fit 33's period. To each thier own, but thats just my opinion on lifting and keeping it low to the ground as possiable.
I agree with what most everyone has said, Except the lift part. Give that Cherokee a couple of shots on the trail show room stock. You will learn more about it and see what your preferences are for up grades. Yes in due time you will enjoy a lift and lockers and winches and door removals and the list goes on FOREVER. Just get out there any time you can and enjoy it. Cardboard
Like cardboard said, i would take it out and see how it does stock first. When i first went out with everyone from here i was only at 3" of lift and loved everyminute of it. Just take it out stock and see exactly how tall you think it should be. Cause i was first wanting to put 33's under mine but now that i have gone everywhere everyone else has on 31's, i am just gona stick with them. Pretty much like everyone else has said, the most important thing is to have some type of recovery and to have a good time while you are out there.
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1996 Grand Cherokee Limited 3.5" rough country, 265 courser at's, roof rack, winch bumper, dana 44, 8,000 lb. winch
Yodwinder wrote:What would be the best 5"-6" lift based on Price:Quality, Ride Quality, adding some flex, and versatility for a daily driver?
In my opinion anything over 5" should be longarm'd. Once your talking longarms your talking a lot more money.
The best bang for the buck lift in my opinion is the Rubicon Express 4.5" with the superflex joints. Upgrade to the RE1660 Tracbar and run a set of OME shocks and you'll be very happy. It's one of the more complete lifts on the market, and for the $ I don't think you can get anything better. You can run 33's with this lift with no trimming, or 35's with very minor trimming.
If you want to go larger, RE sells a 5.5" lift that includes control arm drop brackets. It's the same as the above, but uses larger coils/leafs and than has the drop brackets to help keep the control arm angels betters.
Other than that, higher you'd need to look into longarm setups.