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Best friend's XJ- oil issues

So my best friend picked up an XJ today...

On the way home oil pressure gauge went to zero... he pulls over, and calls the towtruck.  Meanwhile on the phone with the seller, seller says the gauge was bouncing around for the past couple weeks and he thinks the sensor is bad.

So, I go over and check it out... you can skip this if you want to get to the point.
'94 Country auto
dark blue and tan bottom
tan inside
good paint and interior is really good
windshield has black goop on top moulding
crappy car tires
NP 242
"high clearance" rockers in his words (auto cancer has taken its toll)
..but the floors are solid.

the point
Jim starts his new pride and joy up, and oil pressure gauge reads ~40psi.  Jim says it was a quart low upon purchase, and added a quart when he picked it up and checked and it was good.  I pull the oil cap to see if there's a mist coming out of the valve cover while it's running, and there's no mist.  Just the rockers doing their job, and a film of oil (or residue) on everything.

I know some cars have more of a 'oil mist' than others, and I'd fire up my Jeep if it had a fuel pump, but no.  So, I need someone to pull the oil fill cap and run their jeep for a minute and see if there is an oil mist.  I figure it's easier than having Jim pull the oil pan and look for chunks.

Any help would be appreciated.
-Matt

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I have seen alot of sensors go bad in my day, My 93 XJ has had no less than three in its life. There are two ways to approach this situiation. One is to take the sensor wire and with the iginition on but engine not running ground the sensor wire to a GOOD GROUND. If this means usng a jumper from the negative battery post then do it. The gauge should read 80 psi or be pegged at the highest point in its sweep. Remove the ground and it should fall to zero. If this is the case then your sensor is bad.
Another more reliable way is to use a mechanical oil pressure gauge. I have an old autometer gauge that I hook up to check for oil pressure issues. If it reads 40 psi on the cluster then check it with a mechanical gauge and see if it is off or not. When you do replace the sender get a good quality one. I have had some luck with Borg and Beck senders as well as the curent one which I believe is a Chrysler one as the local parts store was out of quality name brands and had only china knock offs.
I did run into a situation once where the gauge said I had too much oil pressure. I hooked up the mechanical gauge and it read 95 psi! This is very bad as well as it will not only blow apart your oil filter(making a huge mess) but the oil will actually eat at your bearings due to the high pressure. In this case the oil pump pressure relief valve had become stuck. After replacing the oil pump the pressure was fine.
As for your oil mist thing that is probably blow by. Every vehicle that has alot of miles on it has it to some degree. Mine has almost none and that surprised me as it has 188k on it and I drive it hard alot. I opened my cap while running and I got some small oil splatter from the rocker nearest the cap as I reved it to 2000. Nothing much at idle.
One other thing of note I did run into a vehicle that was poorly maintained once that had ****ty pressure at steady cruise and my gauge proved it. At idle the pressure was ok. I ened up taking the oil pan off and found small bits of hard sludge that had migrated to the pick up screen and plugged it causing oil starvation. After removing these bits and replacing the oil pump/bearings it had excellent pressure. On very rare ocations has the gauge/cluster circuit board been at fault.

-- Edited by tjhawk at 02:31, 2009-02-20

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I don't know what he's thinking, but it's knocking so I guess it was reading right and he's wanting to unload it and cut his losses. Floor has been cobbled with sheetmetal, but for a trail rig who cares? I'll try to convince him to swap in a junkyard mill.

Or he could install a new oil pump and see if it helps any... being mostly a trail rig (he uses a f150 for dd) I think it may have some life in it yet.

-- Edited by ChevelleSSLS6 at 00:39, 2009-02-23

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Now he says it's far from done for.


-- Edited by ChevelleSSLS6 at 11:07, 2009-02-23

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Metal work is so easy if you have the equipment,small grinder$45, 1 hour a day, $50 for undercoating, and patience, since it is not his DD has he thought about a engine swap, find an 88-95 chevy 4x4 truck, ford, or a junk yard driveline , the most expensive parts (Advance Adapters) he would have a very hard core wheeler, especially with all the tech that is in this GLXJ club/MotionOffroad, he should check into his options, and the main question is he a GLXJ member? I might know some people who could hook him up! LOL

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Metal work is so easy if you have the equipment,small grinder$45, 1 hour a day, $50 for undercoating, and patience, since it is not his DD has he thought about a engine swap, find an 88-95 chevy 4x4 truck, ford, or a junk yard driveline , the most expensive parts (Advance Adapters) he would have a very hard core wheeler, especially with all the tech that is in this GLXJ club/MotionOffroad, he should check into his options, and the main question is he a GLXJ member? I might know some people who could hook him up! LOL







He has some interest, but I dont know if he has enough to actually join.  Maybe he'll just use me as his threadposter.  Ill giver him some bs about it, and maybe he'll join.

update: he found a 93 and seems to want to swap it into his 94.  I told him it'll fit without any issues.  Am I right?  (I have no experience in XJ engine swaps)  I think everything from 91-95 was the same.



-- Edited by ChevelleSSLS6 at 15:28, 2009-02-23

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I can understand about wanting tne brute power of a small block in your XJ. I had a SB Ford in my 1977 CJ and it was wicked fast. I could hill climb at the dunes and really tear it up in the desert. My only problem was when I wanted to crawl it sucked because it had too much power(if there is such a thing) and I was always spinning the tires when I needed them to grip. Also the sheer work of plumbing the new driveline, re-routing everything that is now in the way of other things. I think I spent about a week straight working out all the bugs and telemetry of plumbing the P/S, getting the right coolant hoses ect. I had literally an entire junkyard at my disposal and that engine swap was still a real pain in the arse. In the end it looked cool and sounded great but I think that if I had to do it again I would have just rebuilt the stock 4.2 litre and been done with it.
Personally I love my 4.0L. It has gobs of torque and plenty of power for the trail/street. I also love that I have 7 main bearings for more strength where others have 5 (or less if it is a V-6). Heck just about everything is easy to work on on my 4.0 compared to many other engines. I mean seriously try changing spark plugs on anything now days and its takes forever and you have to remove just about everything. They kept the 4.0 simple and easy to fix. In my opinion if you plan on keeping the vehicle, replace the engine with a new one and spend more time on the trail and less time working on debugging an entire driveline swap.

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/\ I think Jim plans on sticking with Jeep power. He's mentioned swapping different engines (a sbc was the one he mentioned) but I don't think he's serious. If he is serious, I don't think he has the money or time.

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I have been watching ebay and craigslist 4.0 have been going for cheep

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My buddy and I brought a battery, compression gauge and some gas to a local scrap yard. We tested 6 engines and found 5 were excellent candidates. We told them we needed a core builder so the price was like $200. We got it in and that engine ran like a top and 5 years later its still going. There are alot of cream puffs out just there. Finding them is half the fun.
I may be able to land a 4.0 locally from that same yard. Let me know if you are interested. BTW are you in the U.P. or do you live in lower MI?

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tjhawk wrote:

My buddy and I brought a battery, compression gauge and some gas to a local scrap yard. We tested 6 engines and found 5 were excellent candidates. We told them we needed a core builder so the price was like $200. We got it in and that engine ran like a top and 5 years later its still going. There are alot of cream puffs out just there. Finding them is half the fun.
I may be able to land a 4.0 locally from that same yard. Let me know if you are interested. BTW are you in the U.P. or do you live in lower MI?




lower MI.  Buddy wants engine rebuilt...confuse or a 'new' rebuilt installed for about $1200 since he's pretty busy and doesn't have a lot of time.


He could still get a good 'pre pulled' engine.smile Especially out of a XJ that's been in an [rear or side impact or roll] accident... that way you know it wasn't due to the engine.



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1996 XJ "Snowball"- 3.5" lift, bunch of little mods.  I hate pegleg rear axles!
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